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Once again, with apologies for the delay of this posting...it was not easy to have access to an internet where I was situated over the last 12 days. I just got back from the Philippines this afternoon which explains why I am posting this only now. Anyways, here's the second blog posting...
"Find and list down two clear examples of an IRONY from the story LOTF then make sure to explain why you claim these two to be examples of ironies...!"
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Mr. A
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1. When Simon had seen the pig head, he realized that the “beastie” is not in the REAL-LIFE, it’s in their heart. So, he ran down, and wants to tell the other children what he had found out. Ironically, when he appeared, the other children thought that he was the “beastie” and killed him.
I think it’s ironic because when Simon had found out what’s the “beastie” and he ran to the children wanted to tell them what the “beastie” is, but the children had killed him because of the fear in their heart.
2. When Jack and the “hunters” wanted to let Ralph had no place to hide, they ignited the fire in the forest. Ironically, the fire was bright and emphatic, the ship that went by had seen the fire, and they stopped to save them.
I think it’s ironic because when the “hunters” ignited the fire, their goal is to let Ralph had no place to hide, but not thinking about letting the ship that may pass by to mention them. And when they ignited the fire for killing Ralph, the ship that pass by mentioned them ironically.
Mr.A, do you mean we have to answer the question before july 4 not june 4 like you typed right?
Jack is against Ralph, but he still follows the conch, the shell, and rules, even he create his own tribe. It is irony because he disagrees with Ralph, and he left the group, and he creates his own tribe. Why he still following Ralph’s conch rule? He is in his own world, he doesn’t need to follow Ralph’s rule.
Jack act like a chief, he hunts pigs; give them meat, and protects them. But when he asks for vote again, the one before he left the group, no one vote for him. It is irony because he hunts, and he gives them food, and he gives them safety. He is more activate, more brave; he act much more like a chief than Ralph does. However, there is not one vote for him to be chief.
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1.The first clear irony that is revealed in the book is when Ralph and Jack argued about being a chieftain; Jack said that Ralph doesn’t do a thing and Jack himself deserves to be the chieftain instead. Even though when the tribe has been broken into two and there’re two chieftains which is Jack and Ralph, when Ralph traveled to the tribe’s place to clear things out, he still use the conch as if he were a leader there, although he’s no longer chieftain there. The conch represents democracy and civilization in the novel. Later on in the book, the conch was broken into pieces so that tells us that civilization has broken, fall apart, and savages have won the game.
2. The second irony is from Piggy’s glasses. Piggy is the most intelligent and reasonable boy in the whole island. Piggy’s glasses represent intelligence and science and technology because at the beginning of the novel, the group has found out a way to survive in jungle by focusing sunlight into a spot with Piggy’s lenses and make a fire. Later on in the book, the savages raided the civilized tribe by stealing Piggy’s glasses. This represents the stealing of technology. Whoever has the glasses in their hands have the power of technology. In connection to real world, there’re a civilization and a group of terrorists. The civilized group has discovered very rare uranium that can be turned into a deadly bomb. They use it wisely and make energy out of it. Of this, the terrorists heard the story and know the power of it, so they come and steal this technology and turn it into a bomb which can wipe out the whole city. At the end of the book, Jack set the whole island on fire to kill Ralph, just like nuclear bomb, it can wipe out the whole city as well. Adding more to it, when the fire is set on the island, the navy detected it and come to rescue them. As in the real world, nuclear bomb can be detected if exploded (the mushroom-shaped clouds). As the result, the nearby allies of that civilization would come for help.
I'll like to conclude one more time; I wrote too long...
My whole point for the second one is that technology should be used wisely by a right user not in savages' hands. =)
1. the first irony is that Jack wants to surive on the island, and he thinks that hunt pigs for meat would make them survive because they protiens. He thinks that fruits are not quite enough. But the irony is that he also need to keep the fire burning so that the ship would come and save them.i think that jack said he want to survive but he let the fire out so they miss the Opportunity to be saved.
2. the secound irony was that Jack and the others will listen to people that hold the conch. All the people listen to each except Piggy. I think that it is ironic in some way because they listen to all the people the conch but they won't listen to Piggy who was the most intelligent in the whole island. His idea makes the childern survives like the idea of building a shelter and building smoke and fire. They only listen to some people who says things that makes the whole group scared or just say funny or silly things.
But i think do silly or talk silly things to make the meeting not too serious and people fight is a good thing too!
Alice 9a
1. jack set the hole island on fire to find ralph, and it attract the ships near by to help them. the hunters want to kill palph, but it help them it is ironic.
2. good and evil both exist, and we need both of them (there was a beast in all of us).we are both good and bad, i think that we can't find a person that is 100% good.
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Endele 9B
- This is a sentence that Piggy remarked: “I know there isn’t no fear...unless we get frightened of people.” The reply to this is laughter of the crowd of boys. Irony toward this event is that the laugh souldn't appear in the answer, and yet, it happens.
- Piggy's eyesight is weak, but his insight is strong.
DEMI
1]Related to Piggysays " Piggy paused.
"Unless--"
Ralph moved restlessly.
"Unless what?"
"Unless we get frightened of people."
A sound, half-laugh, half-jeer, rose among the seated boys. Piggy ducked his head and
went on hastily." this is irony because at last jack's fear kills piggy. Jack's fear beats up Wilfred. What piggy says frightened to people real happens.
2]When Jack use the fire to find Ralph, but this fire cause the ship to find them and rescue them. Which it is ironic...
1. From Piggy's Remark “I know there isn’t no fear...unless we get frightened of people.” Fear and a leader who utilizes that fear for what he wants eventually controls them. Fear of Jack is the cause of the destruction and killing on the island an the irony is that they laugh at the idea, and yet it happens.
2.“because of the enormity of the knife descending and cutting into living flesh; because of the unbearable blood” People usually loosen the grip when they got nervous he is one of them. I think this has a connection between he becomes a killer and kill Piggy. He does not flinch at killing people, much less pigs. He is a killer because nothing stops him.
1. Piggy himself is a big irony. Because his advices seem not important. However, he gave the best advices and Ralph is only a figure, Piggy is the real brain of the society and people often ignore him while he is the most important person in the group.
2. At first everyone on the island is educated and wants to go home, they try to light up the fire so boats will be attracted by the smoke and also follow the rules. However, when people came to rescue, the hunters are crying. This is ironic because when they finally get to go home, the hunters refuse to go home and start crying.
-- Anna 9c --
1. It's ironic of that at chapter two, Jack told everyone that they got to have rules and obey them and also that they're not savages. But later in the story, he leads his group and make them forget civilization and act upon their primitive instincts. They ignore the laws that they set firstly and starts to act more like savages as they commit crimes (against humanity).
2. Piggy represents intelligence in the story. Its ironic that even though he tried to help out the group, but the group ignores him. People likes to / easily judge people with their first impression (their looks).
1.Ralph doesn't want Jack to be the cheif because all he wants is the title being the leader. However, Ralph wants to be the leader too. This is an irony because, Ralph is the one claiming that all Jack want is to be the leader but he himself is fighting over the place of the cheif. This was shown clearly when Ralph dosn't want to compromise and join Jack's hunting team no matter what, because he wants to be the leader of his team.
2. The second irony would be, the kids are suppose to be educated. Therefore, they must follow the rules and be stable. However, they're not and they became savage-like. This is ironic because they live in society of strict rules and all they know is to follow but when they get away from their parents, they became wild and unstable.
1)The first irony has to do with Piggy. He seems to be ‘the nice guy’ but got killed in the end. He was also the one who had the most sense in him and was the only supporter of Ralph left (apart from the littluns). Being the smartest doesn’t make the others listen to him, and he was jeered at during certain parts of the story, even though he was right. He also talked about fear of people (in this case, fear of Jack) at some point of the story, but no one listens to him. In the end, the fear that he mentioned was the thing that killed him and Simon.
2)The second irony was the fact that they try to burn up the whole island in order to kill Ralph. The topic which led to the separation of Jack and Ralph was the fire itself. Ralph spent most of his time telling everyone how important the fire is, and yet no one seems to mind. It is their last chance of being saved, but Jack thinks getting meat is even more important. In the last chapter, Jack tries to smoke Ralph out from hiding, and in the process, destroy the fruit trees. While trying to do that, a ship saw the fire and came to their rescue, thanks to Jack’s intention of killing Ralph.
1.) It is strange that the choir are all boys and the first job picked is "hunters", members of a choir are usually girls and they aren't aggressive.
2.) Piggy and Ralph were the first one who became friend, but when the group are voting for a chief piggy raised his hand last for Ralph. Normally friends are suppose to support each other first but Piggy hesitated to support Ralph.
Tommy 9A
1. Piggy often says that they act like "a crowd of kids". He says to Ralph that "grownups know things. They ain’t afraid of the dark. They’d meet and have tea and discuss. Then things ‘ud be all right". This is a example of irony because the adults could not get together and discuss their problems that they were stranded on the island.
2. When Jack sets a fire to roust Ralph from the forest, he unintentionally saves the lives of all the remaining boys. This is ironic because it was this fire that attracted the attention of the British ship.
JOYCE 9A [#2419]
1.The survivors of the plane crash are boys evacuated from a battle zone in a world war. However, the society they form eventually breaks down, and the children go to war with one another.
Piggy's eyesight is weak, but his insight is strong.
2. The British naval officer who arrives to rescue the boys at the end of the novel appears to represent civilization and sanity. But he and the society he represents are actually a mirror image, on a large scale, of the boys and their corrupt island society.
3. When Jack sets a fire to roust Ralph from the forest, he unintentionally saves the lives of all the remaining boys. It was this fire that attracted the attention of the British ship.
[Mine "two ironies" are too less, so i type three ironies.]
The little ones seemed more civilized than the older ones; they were staying in small groups and never argue with each other even if they feel scared they don’t fight each other. In reality the older kids should calm, find way out from the island, and care for the younger kids, but in the story it seems like the little kids are caring for themselves. We can see it when no one listen to the little kids comment, and the little kids are finding fruits alone in which they don’t know if it is edible or not so they a always get stomach ache. Also most problems were caused by the older ones, like the fighting and killing instead of finding a way to survive in the island. Ironically the older kids were “immature”, where as the smaller kids were “mature”.
The separation of the group is also an example for irony. Under normal circumstances, when we are trap in an island the thing you don’t want it to happen is the breaking up between the people. They are a group of kids so if they lost someone it will be hard to do works that need strength. Ironically, instead of teamwork and find a way to go out from the island and keep the death toll low, which is there goal from the start, they demolish each other from the inside.
Jojo-9A
1. At the start Jack and Ralph seems to go along well, but at the middle of the story they became enemy and Jack wants Ralph's life. All of this starts because of a disagreement between hunting and signal fire. Ironically, once they are friend but now they are rivals which their goal is to be the leader, for example when Jack says he will go to make his own tribe.
2. At the start of the story they say that they will teamwork and help each other build the house, the first house have many people help but the second house the people decrease and the third house only Simon and Ralph. This is ironic because they said they will help but at last they didn't help.
New9A
The first irony was about Piggy’s name. The boys enjoy hunting and killing pigs on the island. Therefore, Piggy would certainly be a victim of the beast. It isn’t the beast that everyone in the island feared. It is the beast what Simon had said. The beast is them. The author is trying to tell us that human kill, eat pigs on the island, so human are beast.
The second clear irony was Jack’s hesitation about killing pig. At first, he couldn’t bear cutting the pig’s throat. However, Jack soon loses his control and he become savage. He starts killing people.
1.The kids are on this island because of a war, something fired from a weapon hit their plane so they are on this island. Even though they know they are on the island because of war, they still create a war among themselves.
2.The kids that are afraid of beasties sent one of them to tell Ralph about the beastie, it is ironic because he is the one who told Ralph but he ended up being killed.
1. In the story they are trying to get the piggy's glass which is the thing that can make fire so they can survive, just like the war they are getting away from, they are trying to get their hands on the best thing. The kids try to get away from that and still they are doing it themselves.
2. The choir group, which dont include any fighting only singing, was chosen to be hunter.
1. When Ralph and piggy got plane crash. Ralph thinks that no one is in this island, so he try to blow the coral, if there any people in the island. There where lot of children come. I think it's irony because ralph think that no one is in the island, but when he blow there where alot of children come.
2.When Ralph try to blow the coral. There where lot of children come. The children and ralph and piggy are team, but when it in the middle of the story they break up, so they have a war. I think it's irony because first they work in group,but last they break up.
Bow 9c
LOTF, irony
The irony in this book is when "Jack" is the hunter..which he hunts food for everyone, but then when they vote for the leader of the kids..everyone turns to vote for Ralph althouh Jack find food for them to eat. Which is strange orelse they wou;d have died because of the starvation already. So Jack wuld be a important people too.
ANother irony is Jack hates Ralph so much..because everyone vote for him..but because of hate Jack could do things that he think and don't listen to Ralph right? But in this story Jack do whatever Ralph tells him to do, he listen to the leader although how hate he is..(kind of strange huh!?)
Pau 9A
Jack tries to kill Ralph by burning the whole island, but this attracts the British ship to come and rescue them. This is an irony because jack tried to kill Ralph but instead this helps Ralph and the other to survive.
In the beginning of the story, they said that they must have rule and obey because they are not savage. Then later on they start to kills the pig. Further more they start to kill each other. They are acting like they are savage even though in the beginning they said that they will obey rule so they don’t turn to be a savage.
When Piggy said that he wished that his auntie ws there, he felt wierd that there was no adults there to correct them when they are wrong because there would be at least one adult the teach them but now which the are in the forest with no adults around, they would feel weird even though they have freedom to do what ever they want.
Steve 9C
1.Jack try to kill Ralph by burning the forst so Ralph don't have places to hide, but this give they the chance to be rescue. British ship saw the fire and they come to the island to rescue them. This is an irony because Jack try to kill Ralph but end up they to rescue by the British ship.
2.They give Piggy a name call "Fatty" but Piggy is not fat.
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